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Wednesday, March 30, 2016

Aviation Fuel Level Indication - Customer Responses

Customer Responses


The cost to retrofit CiES senders to a pre-74 B55 is around $3200 (plus installation). That may seem "outrageous" but it's only about 50% more than what it costs to have the eight (2 per tank * 4 tanks) senders "overhauled" and my experience with overhauled senders is not very good. At best the OH senders will perform as good as when new for a few years which is to say they're accurate to within about +/- 5 gallons.
Properly calibrated the CiES senders appear to be within one gallon.  In a Bonanza with two 40 gallon tanks or a post 1973 Baron there are only four senders so that cost is cut in half. IIRC the last time I checked, new (1940s technology based) senders from Beech were around $1,600 each or over four times what CiES charges.

I'm having a hard time seeing anything "outrageous" with CIES pricing.

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And one additional point about CIES senders. I have absolutely no doubt if any question or issue came up, Scott would be on the phone within the hour. (More likely in minutes.) Every interaction I have had with him and interactions I have seen others have with him have been very positive. 

Phone or email he's always been very helpful.

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+1 on the CiES/ Scott Philiben Phan club. There's no better customer service than that provided by Scott. anywhere.

I'm still VERY happy with my CiES senders. You know, when something "just works", you take it for granted. I don't really give my CiES senders much thought. They're underappreciated little heros quietly doing their job. Perfectly. All the time.

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AIRCRAFT FUEL GAUGES THAT YOU CAN TRUST 
"With over 10,000 units now flying, CiES has taken over the OEM fuel level sending field.   Our combination of outstanding quality,  reliability, and accuracy has made CiES the standard and the industry leader for fuel level indication on all aviation platforms, GA, Utility, Rotorcraft for both reciprocating and turbine engine applications 

Wednesday, June 10, 2015

CiES Mooney Fuel Level Senders - A Digital Fuel Sensor with Analog Outputs

Today we delivered 2 sets of CiES Mooney Fuel level senders for late mode M, R, S, & TN Mooney aircraft.

So we now have fuel level senders for the popular Mooney Bravo, Ovation, Eagle & Acclaim. 

We are now adding a new aftermarket general aviation platform every week.  

In addition CiES is adding a new OEM or commercial application every month.


Unique to CiES Fuel Level Senders:

  • Set 1 - was set up for a Mooney Bravo with a voltage output for interfacing to a JPI 900 
  • Set 2 - was set up for a Mooney Acclaim with a resistive output for the factory G1000 system.

CiES has the unique capability of supporting multiple platforms with the same sender design.  This sender design physically plugs into the same mounts in the aircraft.

While the float remains - CiES's method of measurement is lightyears away from the traditional potentiometer or resistive sender of the past.   CiES senders utilize a patented magnetic field technology that has more in common with the digital compass in your flight instrument or your cellphone.

Like a compass that always points north, the CiES fuel level sender always points to the float.  The sensor is precise enough to measure the angular position of that float down to tenth's of a degree and that precision is repeatable over time, temperature and vibration. 


Tuesday, March 3, 2015

Heli-Expo 2015 - AS350 Fuel Tank

Heli-Expo 2015

We are happy to show the Robertson Fuel System - Airbus AS350 Tank in the Vector Aerospace booth.

Our fuel level indication system is finding favor in many applications.

The unique nature of our magnetic field technology makes for a robust and accurate fuel level sender.

We have produced rotorcraft fuel senders and fuel senders for Jet A fuel applications, but this combination is a first for our application.

Our capability is exceptional and we are excited every time we are able to prove this in a new application.

We change opinions on how an accurate fuel level can be attained and are replacing legacy fuel quantity systems in the field

Check into our capabilities and we will change your perceptions.
















Saturday, February 2, 2013

The Excitement of Initiating Change or I Double Down on Dark Horses

Imagine coming up with a new and revolutionary idea.

The challenge and the excitement.  You feel your pulse quicken

The moment you first look at the prototype and realize that you might really be on to something.

You want to share it -

You have a unique vision of the way the world should be in the future.  

You develop it and refine it and when it's ready - you bring it to market 

The world is just waiting to embrace your vision............

.....well frankly no it's not 


The reality goes something like this 

"You're selling what,  you're with who, you say its on new model aircraft.  No I haven't heard about it.   What is it again, aviation fuel gauges that work  - Say again...... how accurate really  - so why didn't the factory talk about it.......something that good you'd think.

Hold on let me put you on the speakerphone......guys listen up - this salesman on the phone here tells me he's got working aircraft fuel gauges for sale ......... Hold on - Dominic here wants to know if they are capacitive ....... yeah......... they are what........ give that to me again.   AN ISO MAGNETO DOO HICKEY - no never heard of it. Lord Kelvin really.


Boy the sales pitch just runs off your tongue doesn't it - Wait Bill in the back wants to know if it comes with a set of free steak knives -   no no send me a brochure - We'll be sure to take a look.


Functioning, Accurate Aviation Fuel Gauges 

  • You now have an accurate fuel level sensor. 
  • It detects how much fuel is in the tanks at any moment.
  • It displays the fuel tank contents on your aircraft MFD screen but is not connected with the fuel management system on the aircraft.
  • You must still enter the fuel level you observed in the tanks as you have always done on the MFD.
  • The aircraft will use fuel flow data to calculate what the fuel level should be.  It will present that estimate of the fuel tank contents on the MFD.
  • The level sensors give a calibrated fuel level - Not just accurate at the top and bottom accurate throughout.  These sensors also output the fuel tank contents to the MFD and then display them side by side with the calculated fuel level.
  • These fuel level systems ARE SEPARATE. 
  • Both indicate to you the pilot,  the amount of fuel in the tanks.  SEPARATE - But they match
  • Got it?    Good. 




Thursday, October 4, 2012

TSO C55a Approved Fuel Float Level Sensor

CIES Inc has obtained FAA TSO Approval - C55a - at the most rigorous standard for it's line of float based digital fuel level senders.

Its official we now are producing a line of TSO'd Fuel Level senders applicable to most aircraft below 12,500 lb gross weight. 

This effort provides a real alternative to the old Stewart Warner  senders long out of production for current General Aviation Aircraft fleet.

We are working with every major manufacturer to incorporate our senders as original equipment.

Wednesday, April 4, 2012

How Can a Float Based Sender be so Accurate


Accuracy in Fuel Level Sensing 

Absent the aircraft substantiation that is protected intellectual property at the present time,  it is hard to demonstrate what this system does for the average pilot.  

This fuel system component will generate considerable interest, but fuel level senders of the past have been, an ineffective tool for pilots to utilize.

We can all point to or tell stories of classic flying films where the lead has - tapped the fuel gauge to see if it was reporting correctly.

A technological advancement in this field may not just improve an existing fuel quantity indication system  - but may become a new component with the potential to be disruptive to aviation safety. 

Why? 

In earlier dialogs we discussed the digital aspect of the fuel level sensor output - but what does that mean.

In the diagram above illustrates a distinct position output of the float arm as represented as a ray on the hemisphere.

The middle point being represented by the binary 10000000  - the next ray above is 01111111 the next ray above by the binary 01111110.   Each of these is different.


What this provides is a positive address for the float position for every ray shown on the diagram.

By combining a digital address to a non contact level system.  We allow free motion of the float - no discernible wear - no wear that would affect this digital output.

A measuring system with many discrete addresses over the rise and fall of the float makes it is easier to carefully describe the tank volume into usable information for the pilot.

More information allows complex tank shapes and configurations commonly found in aircraft to be described in more controlled and accurate manner.

The non-contact part of the sensor takes the fuel contents of the tank and it's varying electrical and physical properties out of the equation.  

The controlled float finds the fuel / air boundary in all flight conditions.

Legacy Systems 

Resistive Systems 

So lets compare to a resistive based float system with the resistance trace in the tank  - most general aviation aircraft in the field use this or some variation.


So the manufacturer of the fuel sender will talk about how this resistor card is laser trimmed and it has 50 or 60 precision resistive steps from empty to full when the unit is brand new.  
So that appears to be similar to the example above - yes the digital example has more steps but it is more expensive - yes.  
What is not revealed  is that the resistive steps in output are not distinct or different  - but rather a subtle step increase or decrease in the electrical property when new - after use or wear the subtleties are easily blurred or worn away.  So we in actual practice have a system that now may incur discontinuities in the stepwise output - and provide a less than adequate reading or even deceptive reading for fuel level .   




When we talk about modern general aviation aircraft and the resistance traces become much smaller as shown on the right.   The need for intrinsic safety - explosion proof requirement brought about some subtle changes in aviation fuel systems.  It was no longer acceptable to have wires or traces in the fuel tank proper.  The general aviation industry turned to propane gauges that had the wiper driven by a magnetic couple to an external wiper system enclosed in plastic.


Capacitive Systems

Capacitive Systems - this is the domain of larger aircraft and some small aircraft.  It is the defacto system for aviation.  The designs have no moving parts and are reliable in principle.

Again we are not dealing with distinct positions but an electrical subtlety between one level and another.  So while the fluid provides a good dielectric - the qualities of the fuel become a critical component in how the system works.  Therefore what you add to the tank is a measurable component for the fuel gauge system and is known as the k factor in a capacitance equation.

So what you add - Fuel -  Quality, Temperature, Composition, Entrained Air, Water and Temperature  have a direct bearing on the output of the gauge.

Components of a good Capacitive level systems contain the following:
  • Probe Compensators - measure permittivity of the fuel  - ability to carry a charge
  • Densitometers  to determine the specific gravity of the fuel
  • Temperature compensation - direct though linear effect on k 
  • Compensation of tube diameters to provide a linearized output
If your capacitive level system does not have compensation,  it has limited value in aircraft applications. 

Capacitance probes while highly developed and may utilize segregated DC or AC power, can meet requirements for intrinsic safety.   Capacitive systems however will never overcome the fact that we have separated metal tubes connected to external wiring in the aircraft.

Capacitive systems have difficulty with
  • Fuel Stratfication - hot fuel added over cold soaked fuel 
  • Contamination
  • Corrosion 
  • Indifferent fuel quality or in non aviation applications alcohol percentages
Capacitance systems in transport aircraft are redundent in that there are two systems for each tank to insure dispatch reliability for transport aircraft.